our economy shifted. we now have a retail-based and consumer-based economy with 70% of the gdp based on consumerism. what are the jobs creating a middle class and healthier economy? we would say that walmart needs to play a major role with 1.4 million employees. >> your point isn't to put them out of business. as you make this point, i was thinking back to the moment when you have civil rights activists sitting in at woolworth counters. those are extremely localized. woolworth for the kind of economic power that it had at the time in greensboro isn't a walmart. it doesn't have that sort of broad international multibillion dollar impact. so there's just this part of me thinks have we shifted to an economy, not a ford car's based economy, it's a walmart-based economy. they're huge, multinational, multibillion. can workers still have a voice in that kind of -- >> it's tough. in the ford model, you enable that worker to go home to their community and spend their dollars in the community their spending, they w